Well I guess I live on a another planet because I'm hoping she wins.

She's won more closed primaries than Obama, the ones where real Democrats vote, not this Republican/Independent voting for a Democrat mess that his campaign has actively campiagned on a grassroots level, yet he has won caucases that DO NOT represent everybody.

The ones living in a dream are those who believe Republicans and Independents that voted for Obama in the primary are going to stick with him in November. Against McCain? He's where he's at today because of those Independent/Republicans.

The base of the Democratic party will not get the candidate they voted for, but one that the mainstream media created and chose for them, Senator Barack Obama.

substitute Clinton for Obama in your last sentence, Mama's, and that's what i, and a lot of other people would (will) say should Clinton get the nomination. while i am not a member of the "Democratic party base", many of my fellow BO-supporting friends are.

the extraterrestrial reference is to facts and probabilities (likelihood of HC winning) not fancy (hoping she wins).

Souldecirce, maybe you should get out of your circle and talk to people that aren't just your friends, people that have a a difference in opinion than you to see what the big picture is.

I can see why some voters love Obama, heck I like him too. But I cannot in my conscience vote for him knowing he has ZERO experience to lead. I can't vote for someone who has run a campaign based on etheral intangibles and having voters vote for him because they make them feel good about themselves.

People who were doing really well 10 years ago are now out of work, struggling to feed their families, with no health insurance, on top of the third world inflation running up everyday. My conscience can't vote someone who hasn't paid their dues, working their way up, gaining experience and doesn't have to depend on his advisors to school him. We had enough of dumb presidents.

Flame away, you have your right to choose your candidate, I'm choosing mine the way I have now for the 4 times I've voted for a presidential candidate: federal/national experience, plan for the country, keeping Democratic populism (health care, economy, education) as the priority of their agenda. Obama has not fulfilled any of these.

Mama..I completely respect your right to choose your candidate, and appreciate you articulating the issues that matter to you, but then I question whether you really mean any of it when you follow it with statements such as "he has zero experience to lead…huh? While he has fewer years in the Senate than Hilary, do you genuinely believe that his experience work as a community organizer in chicago, and his legislative experience in Illinois add up to zero? followed by a comment about a 'dumb president' - are you kidding? All presidents have advisors, its prevents them from making rash decisions without considering all of the possible ramifications of their decisions. Yes, there are people struggling today, but presidents don't have the type of direct impact of people's individual economies as you suggest. Jobs leave, people make poor financial decisions and have to bear the repercussions of that. We live in a capitalistic economy so in order for some to do well, others have to do less well - its the dichotomy of the system. And quite frankly, their may certainly be grounds for calling the brother naive, and while I disagree, I can certainly understand wanting someone to 'pay their dues in a particular way, but the rightest leaning, or most pro-Hillary person in the world can not seriously question the man's intellect without seriously jeopardizing the impression of their own. This is not a flame, just an attempt to engage in a discussion.
As an aside, did you vote for Bill Clinton? I did, twice as a matter of fact, but he would have failed your 'test' as he had NO federal/national experience beyond the national governors committee, his plan for the country was "Its the economy stupid" but much of righting the budget was accomplished by reforming welfare, ie… reducing costs by limiting benefits, signing NAFTA, which everyone is admitting is a flawed policy, and letting Greenspan steer the economy. As for the populist agenda, well they not only didn't pass healthcare, but they set the discussion back many years because the ticked off the republicans AND the dems in Congress (and that was generous they because HIl is the one who pissed them off) he let Greenspan handle the economy, and education…….{crickets}

Again, this is not a flame…. just a reasonable discussion if you'd like to have one…..

Also, no one can win the election without the Independant voters…our country is about 45/45 dems/repubs so to suggests they don't matter suggests political naivete…. the difference of how 2% of them swing has determined the outcome of the last 2 elections……
the base of the parties will coalesce or they are not true dems or repubs…its the new voters and the independents that need to be engaged, and right now they are solidly leaning towards Obama.

I am a democrat, so if by some extraordinary set of circumstances..ie..hilary wins 65+% of the vote in all the remaining contests and thereby take the lead in the delegate counts and the popular vote, then I will campaign and vote for her in November. I may be holding my nose, but I am a Democrat, so I'll be there because I do believe the wors among us is better than the Republicans….

Divaliscious11, Good argument, tho, I am not a Dem, I agree that that it's time to end stupid governance, and Senator Obama is the technocrat that America needs.

You laid out a very articulate argument but I doubt it will change any minds:
"None so blind as those who will not see, nor none so deaf as those who will not hear".

Remember MLK had people of his own color calling him a troublemaker and a rabble-rouser who had not proven himself in the Black Church.

i don't think i've ever flamed you, mama's. i do ask questions that you might find challenging, but i ask them in all sincerity of trying to know why you post / act the way you do.

the no-experience argument has been argued here and elsewhere, so i won't touch that.

i said that my BO-supporting friends would say the same thing you did. i didn't say i didn't have BO-supporting friends. see, this, this right here is causing flames, flames on the side of my face.