What If a White Person Said That?
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Before losing his world light heavyweight title to Welshman Joe Calzaghe on Saturday night, Bernard Hopkins had assured his fans, "I would never let a white boy beat me. Never." The bold — and what I consider to be ugly — statement raises a question about which editor Lauren Williams and I had a lengthy discussion last week: What if a white person had said something like that?

Let me be clear, I in no way believe the world's whites have, as a whole, suffered in the way the world's blacks have, and, for some reason not easily put into words, I think this grants blacks some leeway as far as what is socially acceptable language. (For instance, "cracker" will never be hurtful in the way "nigger" is.) But, as the saying goes, just because you can doesn't mean you should, and bigotry comes from the same place within everyone, regardless of the sensitivity of the targets. Had Calzaghe stood at a press conference and announced, "I'll never lose to a black boy," the fight very well might have been canceled because of the public outcry for Calzaghe's head. Why wasn't there a similar reaction when Hopkins publicly equated white with weakness (a declaration ultimately proved to be untrue)?

Words are powerful, and it's a shame historical circumstances have rendered some slurs more acidic than others, but that doesn't mean anyone — no matter their background — should go around flippantly mocking people because of the color of their skin. In fact, very often, it's best to shut up and let your actions speak for you. That's a lesson Bernard Hopkins could stand to learn from that world champion "white boy."

Comments (28)

No. 1 · oogie

Well, there probably wasn't such an outcry because it wasn't covered heavily by the media (this is the first time I'm hearing of this in fact). This is why we always need to question how much the media plays a part in how we react to certain topics. That said, that was a rather racist comment.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 5:41 pm
No. 2 · J

He shouldn't have said it, but you know the context. It's like if a Black South African said 'I will never let an Afrikaaner beat me.' Or if a Jew said 'I will never let a German beat me.' Or if a Hutu said 'I will never let a Tutsi beat me.' Blacks & whites = historic enemies. Sports — especially one-on-one sports — are always a metaphor for racial battles. That's why we cheer for "the Black guy"…whoever he is.

See: Forty Million Dollar Slaves

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 6:19 pm
No. 3 · J

… and to answer the question why was there no outcry… there probably wasn't an outcry because Black people are the "underdog." It's kind of understood that we've had to endure far worse than trash talk for 400 years, so when we say some things, it's understood where it comes from. Black people usually say things like this to show "the historically stronger person" really aint all that strong. It's kind of code for "your mythical hiteness is weak." So, it has a whole different underlying meaning when a white person says it.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 6:42 pm
No. 4 · blackmistressdiva

"Blacks & whites = historic enemies."

Only if you keep the battle going. We will NEVER get equality if we don't deal with our own racism. I don't care what the context is. If you believe otherwise - you're a fool or just someone looking for a lifelong crutch (read: excuse).

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm
No. 5 · summer

what J said, plus what I heard Chris Rock say in standup, that is, the more you got, the less you can say. the less you got, the more you can say. he went on to give various examples - fat v. skinny, rich v. poor, etc., to explain why blacks can say things that whites can't. of course, the bit was exaggerating things, but i think the point is valid.

of course, as with anything, it can be taken too far. and no, just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you should.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 7:19 pm
No. 6 · Anon

What Summer said!

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 7:29 pm
No. 7 · Tribalace

Black racism against whites is a reaction to our history in this country.

White racism toward Blacks is a part of an elaborate system of lies and excuses to justify their inhuman treatment of Black (and other POC) and their inherent belief in white supremecy.

Black racism is justifiable; whites have yet to pay for the crimes of their ancestors and yet still enjoy the benefits conveyed through their disgusting history.

Black racism does not equal white racism/privilege; until that day comes Blacks do not have to worry about their racism, there is nothing for Blacks to fix.

We're not the ones with the problem IMO.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 8:46 pm
No. 8 · POUDY

In fact, very often, it’s best to shut up and let your actions speak for you.

Nuff said

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 8:59 pm
No. 9 · Cord Jefferson

@ Tribalace

" … Blacks do not have to worry about their racism, there is nothing for Blacks to fix."

That's one of the most frightening points of view I've ever come across.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 9:08 pm
No. 10 · OTM

"Boy" is a pretty racially loaded term, too, so that calling a black man "boy" has racist connotations to slave ownership, whereas "white boy" has connotations to like… Vanilla Ice? Wild Cherry? It's like n***er/cracker, except that "white boy" is almost a term of endearment.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 9:17 pm
No. 11 · Chic Noir

Forgive for saying this but it trips me out how some blk men think this. I guess it to make up for the blows from racism. It goes without saying, that if whites were so weak, how come they control most of the worlds weath and have colonized most of the world's people.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 pm
No. 12 · Tribalace

Not frightening at all, Black people in this country did not develop racist views because of a belief of our superiority over other races. Funny how you just read the last of my post but givin your heritage I guess I can understand lol.

There are A LOT more "scary" view points out there, are you new to the internetz??

White people are masters at motivating (with money) people to do themselves in so as to enrich the whites, it's hilarious really, strength has nothing to do with it. Teaching greed is the white way to dominate, that and their diseases.

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 10:59 pm
No. 13 · POUDY

@ Tribalace

…strength has nothing to do with it.

You could not be more wrong my friend.

@ Chic Noir

Amen

Posted: Apr 22, 2008 at 11:11 pm
No. 14 · Hmmmm....

Cord Jefferson is up to no good.

Everybody take some time out of your day and feel sorry for Cord and white people.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 3:53 am
No. 15 · Ike

Happy you brought this up Cord (even though you'll be unnecessarily attacked… AGAIN… over your "identity.")

True (Tribalace), blk racism towards whts is more of a reaction to wht racism on blks, but it's still "racism" no matter what side you're looking thru. You're just adding to the fire and keeping the hate alive. Hopkins comment was unnecessary. Your skin color has nothing to do with your fighting skills. It's as if he's "confirming" that all blks are aggressive and lethal; that it WILL take 10 bullets to bring a negro down. Sporting events are not "race wars."

Also… we can't keep on blaming "the white man" forever. Everybody (including blks) is getting tired of it. To blame them is to empower them. Even if they're "greedy/selfish/manipulative," you also have to ask why are we falling for all their sh**???

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 4:22 am
No. 16 · Tribalace

Who is blaming "the white man"? It is telling how you see me blaming someone in my post. By pointing out their issues with race is in fact an act of not falling for their shit.

People that want to assimilate with whites are the ones falling for white shit.

Does anyone here actually watch boxing or know who Bernard Hopkins is?? Doesn't look like it.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 7:43 am
No. 17 · shakti

what BMD said.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 9:21 am
No. 18 · Jandi

It is never okay to say certain things just as a human being trying to live in the world peacefully with other people.
However placing this in a historical context, Black people were demonised and glorified for their strength and brute force and we may have internalised that as part of who we are….There are a whole lot of stereotypes like that, that we can sing and dance better or that we are stronger than everyone else…(the negatives include that we are not as smart) When he said he wouldn't let a white boy beat him it was a reinforcement of his black masculinity. It is like me joking (definitely inappropriately) that I will revoke someone 'Black' card because they cannot dance.

I am not saying it is okay but I think this statement is less about the 'white boy' and more a statement of his superior strength as a black man.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 10:03 am
No. 19 · Robyn

I think the rules have to be the same for everyone. If white people can't say it, then black people shouldn't. As black people we should demand equality and fairness, and we've got to give it in return and not justify why "we" can say things and "they" can't. I don't see how this is good for us (the country). If there are different rules for everyone then people just get frustrated and want to talk about the different rules (political correctness) vs. have conversations of substance.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24 am
No. 20 · RhymesWithSilver

@ Tribalace

It seems like you think white people wake up in the morning and say "Hmm, how can I oppress and exploit minorities today?" It's the same crap you hear from anti-Semites, i.e. the Jews are all in on a plot to rule the world. Not only is this a really paranoid way to approach other people, but you're giving our capacity to organize wayyy too much credit. Really- if there's a "white way" of doing things, what's your idea of the "black way"? I'm curious…

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm
No. 21 · tribalace

@ RhymesWithSilver

White people get up in the morning and don't think that is their problem.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 1:37 pm
No. 22 · Josh

OK, so everyone's partly right: Assuming all black people are strong and all white people weak is dumb and racist; on the other hand, we can extend a measure of forgiveness to a black man inartfully asserting black strength that we wouldn't for a white man doing the same thing. But what really matters is what Cord wrote: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Even if a black person *can* say something like this and we all understand it's more complicated than plain old racism, it damn sure doesn't help the overall cause of real racial equality and openmindedness. Also, it makes him look like that much more of a chump when he gets beat.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 2:59 pm
No. 23 · Ali

@Robyn - I agree that people shouldn't be given preferential treatment or a "pass" by virtue of who they are, unearned privilege is dangerous and should be abolished. That said there are certain terms or statements that would never "feel" the same or mean the same thing to me coming from the mouths of certain white people as they would coming from the mouths of certain blacks. "Nappy head," "girlfriend," "sister," "nigger," just to name a few just don't mean the same thing in certain context. I think comes down to personal relationships with individuals and those relationships often tend to fall along racial lines. I'm not saying that it's not possible for a black person to straight up call me a "nigger" and I wouldn't feel offended, but in most contexts it still feels different than having the epithet hurled at me by someone who I don't identify with racially.

@Tribalace - I know I probably shouldn't get into this but I think you're ignoring the way the system of racism works in this country. I also don't see how you can feel comfortable condensing the US's entire white population into a single, monolithic, conniving consciousness. You seriously think whites as a collective have nothing better to do every morning than wake and plot ways to make your life more difficult!?

@Josh - I agree!

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 3:08 pm
No. 24 · Ike

Tribalace says:

"White people are masters at motivating (with money) people to do themselves in so as to enrich the whites, it’s hilarious really, strength has nothing to do with it. Teaching greed is the white way to dominate, that and their diseases."

I think your comment speaks for itself. Btw… we're not discussing the concepts of boxing, we're talking about the statement Hopkins made and how it would have gone down if his skin wasn't blk. Who gives a sh** about Hopkins… well… I guess u do.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 3:58 pm
No. 25 · Chic Noir

I think everyone should take a moment to read this post by a popular blogger. Very short sweet and to the point on Ike's comment about the black brute.

http://abagond.wordpress.com/2.....tereotype/

He has also written about other AA sterotypes.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 4:15 pm
No. 26 · Chic Noir

Can we please leave Cord's identity alone now. It's been a month, let it die already.

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 4:16 pm
No. 27 · Shane

@ tribalace

"White people get up in the morning and don’t think that is their problem."

??????

Posted: Apr 23, 2008 at 8:26 pm
No. 28 · INDUSTRYFINEST.com

We all want equal treatment and we should all be responsible for our actions.

Posted: Apr 30, 2008 at 12:00 am
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